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- danko54
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- Doug Robertson
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On the other hand JoomlaWorks seems to be one of the worst companies about effectively communicating anything. We have been waiting for v3 forever. We begged for any form of update and they never gave us one. Then out of the blue they announce we will have a beta on v3 right around the corner and give us a date. They are obviously missing that date significantly and once again they decide to keep us in the dark.
I don't expect every detail on what is going wrong and I would be extremely accepting of the schedule slipping. What I can't stand is this attitude they have about keeping their loyal customers in the dark. It make me lose faith in them. I can't imagine what they would be like to work with on a project. Good communication is critical.
I understand that Fotis may have other things to focus on or he may not be the best communicator, but get someone to do the job. I want them to succeed and a little communication with the users would go a long way towards making that happen. Instruct an intern to give a basic update every two weeks. All it needs to say is;
"Here is where we are at, this is roughly what we think will happen and we are committed to keeping people in the loop."
Right now this silence after giving us a public timeline really sucks and I believe it is hurting many peoples opinion of JoomlaWorks.
This is obviously just my opinion, but I hope someone thinks about what is going on and starts talking to the users.
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- Doug Robertson
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"We are soon wrapping up development and beginning extensive testing on the upcoming "big" upgrade to K2, version 3. We estimate to have a beta release out by the end of March, with the stable release being scheduled for late April 2014. "
The march beta release was missed in a big way and we are obviously not seeing a live version in April. At this point I doubt anything will happen in May.
Please just tell us what is happening! The K2 users deserve to be treated better than this.
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- BernardFerguat
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I'm currently building a new website based on K2 but things like this, the absense of new on updates or support are freightning me. Please give us some news on this!
Thanks in a dvance!
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- Tudor Drugan
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danko54 wrote: ...It is rumored that the project K2 was abandoned...
Please provide a reference to your statement.
We are all waiting for K2 version 3. Until then 2.6.9 dev edition is running fine with no problems on Joomla 3.3.0.
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- Doug Robertson
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I understand that people with long standing sites using K2 may not be as worried about this, but I have a new site we are trying to implement that has a huge amount of K2 integration. Not just template work, but also using extra fields and other features to integrate with outside data sources.
This is work that I do not want to do twice. If v3 is actually right around the corner then I want to do the whole implementation in v3. If v3 is actually vaporware then I also need to know that so I can make my decisions.
As much as I like K2 this lack of communication seriously bothers me. If they can't be relied on to give us information then I may be forced to find alternatives. I don't want to do that, but they have been jerking us around on this forever.
The sad part is that they have an amazing opportunity to monetize this that is stupidly being wasted. I would be happy to pay a reasonable amount for K2 as long as they were actually treating me like a customer. If they had paid support I would also be happy to buy that - as long as they could be trusted to follow through and provide it. At this point they are seriously eroding that trust.
I don't need K2 to be free, but I do need to be able to trust that they will maintain it and support me when I need the help.
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- Murray Deerbon
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I think there might be a bug that has been introduced when upgrading to Joomla! 3.3.0 Stable. When updating the K2 settings in the Parameters (Components | K2| Parameters), one can't "Save"; "Save & Close" or "Cancel" from the screen. To leave the screen, one must select "Global Configuration" (on the top left side of the screen) and then cancel. "Save", "Save & Close" have no effect on any of the changes made whilst on the K2 option.We are all waiting for K2 version 3. Until then 2.6.9 dev edition is running fine with no problems on Joomla 3.3.0.
I'm not sure if this is a Joomla bug, or a K2.
Has anyone else had a similar problem, and are waiting for a new release of K2 to hopefully rectify it.
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- Doug Robertson
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I'm not sure if this is a Joomla bug, or a K2.
Has anyone else had a similar problem, and are waiting for a new release of K2 to hopefully rectify it.
I would imaging that any bug like that would be fixed in the main 2.x.x versions. I certianly hope you wouldn't need to wait for v3 for K2 to address an issue like that.
What we are mainly discussing in this thread is the lack of updates about the new version 3 of K2 after they promoted it and gave us release dates on the blog. This should not affect your concern.
Doug
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- JoomlaWorks
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As for K2 v3.x being cancelled... I honestly wonder... how do you make these assumptions? What I gave in that blog post is *estimates*, not exact dates. I prefer that we delay a bit that come out with something crap. We did this back with v2.0.0 when I personally "felt pressured" by our own community. The result? We had to issue continuous updates over the next days to address functionality that would be resolved, had we waited a bit.
K2 is one of the most active projects in the Joomla community.
K2 is our flagship product.
We actively support K2 here in the community.
K2 will soon reach 2 million downloads. Read that again.
Are these signs of an abandoned project?
K2 v2.x is fully functioning and working with the latest Joomla build right now. It's not in beta mode or RC mode or other half-ass ready release. You can safely use it and safely upgrade to v3.x when it's out. There is no urgency to go for 3.x even if we released it tomorrow. Like all software, you should (you must in my opinion) always wait a bit until a .1 or .2 release is out.
And P.S., if you wanna switch to another CCK, who's holding you? Go ahead and waste your time. If you wait though, you'll thank us later ;)
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- Doug Robertson
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What is important to me and most other people that are expressing frustration is the total lack of any new information about when we will see v3. I am not asking you to abandon any principals about putting out a piece of quality software, just that we are kept in the loop.
When you posted your estimated schedule months ago you set an expectation among the users. Many of us are trying to make the best decisions we can based on the little information that you are willing to pass along. By not giving us even basic updates you are making our jobs MUCH harder and honestly I am starting to resent it. Even now you aren't answering the real questions.
All we are asking is to be kept in the loop. Every few weeks put out a v3 update. This is where we are, a little about what is going on in the project and some rough estimates about what will happen next. If there is uncertainty then say so. We are not here to crucify you, but we do need to have a view into what is happening.
And finally, I would far rather develop against a system that hopefully has a full JSON API rather than mucking around in PHP. This is how all my other work is done on the site I am integrating into the Joomla site. There are also other feature that you have shown us that would change my design decisions in a significant way. So this isn't a simple implement it in v2 and then it will work perfectly in v3 issue. Doing it that way will cause me to have additional effort I do not want.
Keep to your principles, but please plan on communicating better. Those people who did the 2 million downloads are getting frustrated with your lack of any transparency.
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- JoomlaWorks
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I have already disclosed all necessary info regarding the release of K2 v3. You know all the new features (which are "frozen" by the way for v3.0.0). What we're currently working is the backend UI and it's taking a little longer than we assumed, because this time, we get to build content management the way it should be (and not resemble Joomla's article manager). We're going into new territory and we need to test extensively.
I'll repeat once more. Go with v2 for any for your projects. Upgrading to v3 will be very easy.
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- Doug Robertson
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I am tired of this conversation as I am sure you are. If you have no intention of giving us any real update on the v3 project just say so and I will stop asking. What you have written so far is the equivalent of saying go away and stop asking questions. I would really appreciate a real update and I am quite sure many others who contributed to that 2 million downloads would also.
At this point do you expect the beta to be pushed back months or do you have a reasonable expectation it will be out in the next 30 days? I don't need a hard and fast date, but I would like to understand what is going on so I have the ability to make my own decisions about MY projects.
I would like to build the new site around some of the new features you are talking about in v3. Specifically the changes you are talking about in the extended fields and multiple videos. If v3 is another 1/2 year away I will invest the time and effort in programming around the problems I have with K2 right now, but it sounds like v3 will have more flexibility in the areas I need. I don't want to build it one way now and change it later and I don't want to have the system live as a hack on top of v2 if v3 will solve my issues.
I was hoping that I would be able to use the JSON interfaces to manage the articles from a separate server, but it sounds like that isn't the way you are going. It is your project and I am disappointed, but I respect the decisions.
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As for the JSON API, in the frontend it's almost unchanged (includes only new elements) and in the backend it's private to K2 (you can make a plugin to utilize them but it may need a lot of work).
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- Doug Robertson
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It would have prevented much of this tension if you had posted that update on your blog where the previous information was given out. Despite what the conventional wisdom is, many of us can't stand twitter or Facebook. We actually look to your web site as the definitive source of information. I actually subscribe to your twitter channel and didn't catch that information. (I still hate Twitter)
Can you please give use periodic updates about what is going on. Every few weeks would be fine. It does not need to be a 1000 word essay. Just a status of the project, some details of what you are doing and an update on what will happen.
If you did that I think everyone would be much happier. Users like to be in the loop about major changes to software that they are using.
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Creating Anticipation for a product can sometimes backfire when deadlines (even approximate ones) aren't met. Some of the complaints about the loose K2 timeline do seem excessive, however, you've created a go-to product for many of us, when communication goes silent on our go-to product, it can get frustrating.
I like to see a devoted company developing a great product and staying focused, but being devoted to a widely used product also means being at least partially devoted to your clients, and yes, people that use free products are still clients, although it can be difficult to remember that.
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- Gobezu Sewu
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As for being developer myself supporting K2 for quite some time I am puzzled by the message and although I am sure you meant to create excitement with me it just creates anxiousness. I keep on wondering what the next bread slice according to K2 is now. So please do clue us in on what is the new set of features that you are working on, and please break it down in developer language and not in an overview list.
Thank you for your guidance and ofc for K2.
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